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July 9, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
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Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for Flight 191.

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—173.161.8.133 (talk) 01:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC) 173.161.8.133 (talk) 01:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2009/05/30-years-ago-today-american-airlines-flight-191-worst-single-plane-accident/

I don't think that source supports the change of coordinates - the link has an arrow and "approximately", and I note that the arrow is pointing towards where the coordinates currently locate to. The article doesn't have specific coordinates that I noticed, either. NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked the coordinates a bit so that they correspond more precisely to the location to which the arrow points in the photo, but I agree that no major change is called for (at least on the basis of the article cited above). Deor (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Engineer's suicide

@Nephx:, @Ahunt: Wanted to bring this up here in light of the recent edits. MOS:EUPHEMISM absolutely recommends neutral and precise terms, thus favoring "committed suicide" over "took his own life", but MOS:SUICIDE points out that while "committed suicide" is not banned, ...[t]here are many other appropriate, common, and encyclopedic ways to describe a suicide. Is there a neutral compromise we can reach? I'm partial to "died by suicide" or "killed himself", personally. Thoughts? NekoKatsun (nyaa) 22:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with "died by suicide" or "killed himself" as those are plain and clear. - Ahunt (talk) 23:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With no further responses from anyone, I'm going to go ahead and change it to "died by suicide". NekoKatsun (nyaa) 14:26, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How on earth to parse this sentence?

"The Western crash, however, was due to low visibility and an attempt to land on a closed runway, through, reportedly, confusion of its crew." 47.14.77.193 (talk) 09:08, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"However, instead of any structural issues with the DC-10, the contributing factors to the Western crash were low visibility, and attempting to land on a closed runway, due to reported crew confusion."

Skimming the linked article, visibility was zero, and the crew was expected to perform a sidestep maneuver (aim at runway A, then scoot sideways to land on parallel runway B). The crew didn't realize they had to do this, but realized something was wrong; they tried to go-around but one of their landing gear hit a fully loaded dump truck parked on the closed runway. Their plane, a DC-10 like the flight 191 aircraft, was already under scrutiny from several other incidents, but in this specific case the factors contributing to the crash were all external. It just didn't help the plane's safety reputation.

I agree this sentence is kind of messy; hopefully this helps make sense of it for you! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 15:38, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Wax

If one searches for Judith Wax, one is redirected to this page. Judith Wax was a writer who was among the passengers who died on this flight. But this page has nothing about Judith Wax, so I don't see the point of the redirect. Maybe the redirect should be deleted. Krakatoa (talk) 06:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2009/05/30-years-ago-today-american-airlines-flight-191-worst-single-plane-accident/

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